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  • SawWaveSurfer
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    Great video, Daniel. I was thinking about starting producing again (I stopped because.. Life. Life in general.) and was looking into DAWs again. I thought I found a decent fit in FL Studio because they changed a lot of things that bothered me in the past but they still have unsolved issues that just aren't acceptable, it seems. Then I looked at Cubase again and who would have thought, they changed a lot of things I disliked about it. Look at how tidy and organized it looks now.

    And all your points are absolutely valid and I agree.

  • Rob van Hees
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    "Why I Use Reaper Over Ableton Live" would make way more sense.
    But i don't blame you.
    I respect your choice for Cubase.
    But in terms of creating the fastest worklows for all things you wanna do in the midi and audio area, and stability and raw cpu performance, Reaper just rocks
    over all other DAW's , believe me, i worked for years with all other big DAW's, including Cubase.

  • christopher pobsky gilroy
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    Cubase does have alot of cool features i started on cubase from the atari st, but many people have gone from Cubase to Ableton like myself in the last 7 years or so and found that once they got used to Ableton the workflow improved and mainly just find it alot easier and simpler to make tracks ! i am however now considering going back to Cubase at the moment so i can take advantage of the features many people might not ever use and ableton doesnt have 😉

  • Zoolookuk
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    Great video, what you say makes a lot of sense. I am not sure about Apple moving Logic to consumers/iPad users etc, as the last few updates have been very much aimed at pros and semi-pros or serious hobbyists – but you never know, that may change. I've often been tempted to move back to Cubase (last version I sed was 3.5 VST in 1998) and it looks like it's been tidied up a lot.

  • Kaivey
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    Superb information! I'm new to Cubase so some of it went a bit too fast for me but this gave me loads of things to investigate. I make electronic music and I did an intro course for Propeller Reason except when I got there they had changed to Cubase. The teacher there made IDM and loved Cubase. I'm pleased with it and it looks nice too.

  • pneumatonic
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    Wow — first cogent, well thought-out argument for Cubase I have ever heard.

    I also use Ableton Live. And am FRUSTRATED with various limitations it imposes, some of which are shared by all DAWS — i.e. actual, no-horseshit microtonal support BUILTIN (!!!!!!!!!!! ARGHHHH!!!!!)

    The only reason I stick to Ableton is that I often compose Jazz and other syncopated-rhythm music. The fact that I can see triplets in the visual timer representation has been the glue. Yo Apple — no, it will NEVER be equivalent or comparable to Ableton your DAW's ability to snap to triplet time without visually being able to see where those beats lie in a measure. No equivalent functionality! ARGGH!!!!

    Yeah, spent some time chit-chatting with the developers at Apple, at some point… Anyways, triplets and being able to see 'em in a measure. Bitwig certainly exceeds this, with quintuplet and septuples as well as triplets. One might readily guess from this fact which direction I intended to migrate in the near future… Yet after listening to your argument for Cubase, I'm gonna do my homework.

    I used to believe that computers had no decent place in the making of music. It was actually Cubase which guided me away from my Amish-seeming conviction, many years ago. Anyways, I'm gonna download the latest demo, and re-evaluate an old friend.

    Thanks for sharing this.

    F.

  • Abhishek Verma
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    There is an inherent problem in FLS sustain of midi notes. Like when you play a note with let's say velocity 100 unit. And immediately after u play the same note with velocity < 100 units then the previous note is killed. I have 2 questions 1. Does this also happen in cubase and other daw? 2. How to get rid of this?

  • Kima Moore
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    You make a compelling argument here. Particularly with the midi features available with Cubase, and it's true that Ableton is quite clumsy midi wise. In the audio sample field of course I think Abe takes the cake, but for recording midi orchestral stuff at your level, I definitely agree with you. Even audio wise, Ableton still hasn't completely dealt with its latency issues which at times gets terribly frustrating. You show very well how clunky Ableton is compared to Cubase. I wish Ableton would also go in that direction too, however it doesn't hurt to rewire both programs, Cubase as the Master, but if Ableton would also do the honors to keep in mind that many composers are using it currently. This is a great topic. I hope the Live folks will take heed to what you're saying here. Very good points that you've brought up here. For sound design I still find Ableton to be the most interesting and creative and fast, just like Cubase is for midi.

  • Ian Gibson
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    I come from a Cubase background and have also used Logic a lot. I work with music. My own music is EDM-based and I decided to try Ableton, along with a ton of plug-ins and the Push controller. I set myself a challenge to complete an entire track in Ableton. I found I struggled with getting a professional mix and having fine control over parameters. I now have Cubase Pro 9 and I have to say I prefer it over all DAWs for EDM, including Ableton. I may well return to Ableton in the future to put together rough and ready ideas, which I will refine in Cubase.

  • Harris F
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    One thing I was always puzzled by is that you are probably the only person I know who uses (used) Live for scoring. I've been using Cubase since 3.0 Audio, but remember using ver. 2.0 in studios on Atari. Hands down, for midi and sequencing (and notation) there's noting better, maybe DP. I do a lot electronic / pop productions and been using Live, but my new thing is Bitwig. I'm droping it all, it is only Cubase (recording, mixing, editing) and Bitwig (production) for me. Btw, love your videos. Always helpful to see review of a library form an actual user.

  • Renaissance Man
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    I think like you said choose the right tool for the job. For quick jam sessions and EDM music the Ableton Live is perfect. For movie and video game scores and soundtracks, Cubase is the way to go.

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